Future Saga Gaps

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Future Saga Gaps
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~~p123~~	Jun 30 2014, 06:43 AM Post #1
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	A topic me and Vic are working on over at Neo. Figured I'd bring this here. Pretty much coming to my same old conclusion that Vegeta being a Super Saiyan here doesn't make sense, Gohan and Trunks being beasts and Yardrat Goku generally one of the more underrated characters in the series. Also my preference for History of Trunks over the manga, Trunks journey to Super Saiyan is in its true epic fashion as should be and the whole notion of Base > Ssj at this point being cringe worthy. Hmm what else, ah the way the Androids play with their prey here is much better than the mangas super serious kill you attitude which isn't even suggested in the other portions of the real story and so on. The only issue I have with the side story is probably Vegeta being a Super Saiyan and that's really it. The way Gohan loses his arm is epic and I honestly consider thus more " factually correct " than the only other canon worthy movie which is Bardock. Bardock movie was awesome but for me my issue is the blatant disregard for Saiyan classes. This is something that only starts with Goku imo and there's a reason why Vegeta held a grudge for oh I don't know 10 years or so. Anyway let's discuss the Future Saga.



+ Pyrus	Jun 30 2014, 06:46 AM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	From a manga or anime standpoint?
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+ Kyouks	Jun 30 2014, 06:48 AM Post #3
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Someone post those panels of SSJ Trunks/Base Gohan, I think you can conjure up something to do with their sweat to explain things there :)



~~p123~~	Jun 30 2014, 06:49 AM Post #4
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	I'm open to either. I'm kind of running a hybrid personal canon for this part of the saga. One of my least favorite parts of the manga is Ssj Trunks vs Base Gohan. Plus the journey Trunks takes to reach Super Saiyan is how it is supposed to be. Becoming the second Ssj shown in the manga should have some epicness to it especially since Gohans is not shown. At least Gohan had the deaths of everyone he knew to inspire him and in the Rosat we saw this. Anyway let's start off with Future Gohan 2 arms. How strong do you view him?



+ Kyouks	Jun 30 2014, 07:08 AM Post #5
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Manga-wise, 2 arms Gohan is pretty weak. He was dominated by 17 at less than half his power (let's say 40%) and 1 arm Gohan never caught up to Yardrat Goku iirc, so 2 arm Gohan should be way below him too.



+ Pyrus	Jun 30 2014, 07:12 AM Post #6
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Even with his bloated TV special power, Gohan was still toyed with and humiliated verbally.
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~~p123~~	Jun 30 2014, 07:13 AM Post #7
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	True. But what sense does it make to have this new villain come in weaker than Freeza? It doesn't imo. If we are going by the 150 scale ( which I most definitley do not go by, Goku being merely 3m seems like a joke to me nowadays ) this is where I like the numbers to roll as of now... Ssj Gohan 150m 17 ( 40% ) 200m Ssj Gohan ( 1 year later ) 220 Trunks 240 Yardrat Goku 300 And I'd guess Future Goku before the heart virus is probably 400m with the Future Androids ending up around 500m. Also I'm inclined to go with at least Vegeta ( Present Androids Saga ) being above Future Androids ( or at least the level they showed Trunks.



+ Pyrus	Jun 30 2014, 07:26 AM Post #8
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	p123 Jun 30 2014, 07:13 AM True. But what sense does it make to have this new villain come in weaker than Freeza? It doesn't imo. If we are going by the 150 scale ( which I most definitley do not go by, Goku being merely 3m seems like a joke to me nowadays ) this is where I like the numbers to roll as of now... Ssj Gohan 150m 17 ( 40% ) 200m Ssj Gohan ( 1 year later ) 220 Trunks 240 Yardrat Goku 300 And I'd guess Future Goku before the heart virus is probably 400m with the Future Androids ending up around 500m. Also I'm inclined to go with at least Vegeta ( Present Androids Saga ) being above Future Androids ( or at least the level they showed Trunks. Future Goku died about 6 months, or "shortly after" coming back from Yardrat according to Trunks, so him reaching around 400mil seems a bit too much for me, but I digress. Present Vegeta was implied by Trunks' reactions to be only on par with Future #18. SSj Future Gohan (2 arms) - 150 Future #17 (40%) - 200 SSj Future Gohan (1 arm) - 230 SSj Trunks - 235 SSj Goku (Yardrat) - 265 Future #18 - 450 Future #17 - 500
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~~p123~~	Jun 30 2014, 07:42 AM Post #9
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	Ah I'm unsure of what the manga has it as. The History of Trunks has it as Goku dies then six months later the Androids come. That indeed could be a significant factor and makes Gohans statements about catching up to Goku all that more important. It does seem to limit Vegeta's possibilities of reaching Super Saiyan in that time line though.



+ Pyrus	Jun 30 2014, 08:06 AM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	p123 Jun 30 2014, 07:42 AM Ah I'm unsure of what the manga has it as. The History of Trunks has it as Goku dies then six months later the Androids come. That indeed could be a significant factor and makes Gohans statements about catching up to Goku all that more important. It does seem to limit Vegeta's possibilities of reaching Super Saiyan in that time line though. http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8769302&t=8417584 May be of some use to you. Also, from Herms on the timeline: Quote: AGE 764 August, Age 764 (#TRU) Timeline II and III: Goku returns to Earth --Freeza and Cold attack Earth. Returning from Yardrat in his spaceship, Goku Teleports to Earth so he can make it in time to defeat them. At this time, an insectoid spy robot controlled by Doctor Gero’s computer collects cells from Freeza and Cold. The computer adds these to the developing Cell. --Shortly afterwards, Goku comes down with a virus-based heart disease and dies. [Ref: In Chapter 335 Trunks explains how things played out in the original timeline. It’s implied that originally Goku Teleported to reach Earth in time. The Trunks TV Special has Goku die about 2 years later, after Trunks’ birth, rather than soon after returning to Earth like the manga says.] Edited by Pyrus, Jun 30 2014, 08:08 AM.
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~~p123~~	Jun 30 2014, 08:12 AM Post #11
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	Interesting, so History of Trunks and this timeline, which I guess is Daizenshuu related, have conflicts. Just watched the History of Trunks, didn't think it was half bad. Subbed of course.



Alex D. Boss	Jun 30 2014, 10:12 AM Post #12
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Why is SSJ Trunks > Future Gohan 1 arm? Like do we have any proof of it?



+ Pyrus	Jun 30 2014, 10:26 AM Post #13
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Alex ClownBoss Jun 30 2014, 10:12 AM Why is SSJ Trunks > Future Gohan 1 arm? Like do we have any proof of it? Trunks felt he was stronger than Gohan by some amount in order to challenge the same androids that killed his former teacher. Bulma just rounded this off for us and said they were more or less the same. Combine and compromise. You know this stuff.
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Alex D. Boss	Jun 30 2014, 11:54 AM Post #14
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	So we know that Trunks intented to fight the Androids after seeing Gohan losing , and being confident to take on the Androids makes him above Gohan, I can see the point. If we know that SSJ Gohan 1 arm > Future 17 40%, how strong would SSJ Gohan 2 arms be compared to Future SSJ Vegeta?



+ Pyrus	Jun 30 2014, 12:36 PM Post #15
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Anime-wise, Gohan seems to have a good level of respect for Vegeta's posthumous power, but manga-wise we've got no clue.
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